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	<title>Comments on: Religious Nuttiness: Not just for Westerners</title>
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		<title>By: Nicole</title>
		<link>http://noisyastronomer.com/2008/10/09/religious-nuttiness-not-just-for-westerners/#comment-103</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 05:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Perry!  Thanks for the comment and the link.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I have a problem with labeling teaching of religion to children as &quot;child abuse.&quot;  I think that in most cases, parents are just passing along what they think are helpful moral values, not trying to hurt their children.  To label 90% of parents with abuse is harsh.  And for the moderately religious, that is likely the case.  maybe for that kind of teaching, &quot;indoctrination&quot; is too strong a word.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;However, there is no doubt that religion has become a powerful tool for child abuse in too many cases.  When indoctrination becomes mentally and physically harmful, that is abuse.  And that needs to be heralded from the rooftops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Perry!  Thanks for the comment and the link.  </p>
<p>I have a problem with labeling teaching of religion to children as &#8220;child abuse.&#8221;  I think that in most cases, parents are just passing along what they think are helpful moral values, not trying to hurt their children.  To label 90% of parents with abuse is harsh.  And for the moderately religious, that is likely the case.  maybe for that kind of teaching, &#8220;indoctrination&#8221; is too strong a word.</p>
<p>However, there is no doubt that religion has become a powerful tool for child abuse in too many cases.  When indoctrination becomes mentally and physically harmful, that is abuse.  And that needs to be heralded from the rooftops.</p>
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		<title>By: Perry</title>
		<link>http://noisyastronomer.com/2008/10/09/religious-nuttiness-not-just-for-westerners/#comment-102</link>
		<dc:creator>Perry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 16:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You said: &quot;Although I disagree that mere indoctrination of children into religion is necessarily child abuse...&quot;  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;m surprised you would say that when your profile indicates you are an atheist. In my opinion, I think it is dangerous to downplay the indoctrination of children by saying it is &quot;mere&quot; indoctrination. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;When you indoctrinate a child into one religion (that&#039;s what indoctrination is) you are denying not only certain rights that the child has as a child, but also denying future rights that child will have as an adult. For example, all adults have the right to believe whatever they want to. However, if you indoctrinate a child to believe that only one religion is the true religion, and that if she doesn&#039;t believe it she&#039;ll go to hell, then you effectively cut off the right of that child when she becomes an adult to choose whatever belief system she wants. Yes, some will break out of that indoctrination, but many will not be able to shake the fear induced by such thought control.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I could give many more examples of the ways in which indoctrinating children into a religion constitutes spiritual abuse, intellectual abuse, emotional abuse, physical abuse (eg. corporal punishment), and psychological abuse. The only way to teach religion to children in a way that respects them as persons and does not infringe on their human rights is to do it in a comparative religion course, or in a social studies class, in which children learn that there are thousands of religions and people believe in all kinds of crazy things. They need to learn about religions without being coerced or intimidated in anyway, and they need to know that they are free, really free, to believe whatever they want no matter what anyone says, whether a parent, teacher or religious &quot;authority&quot;.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;See my blog for plenty of examples of the harms that arise when children are indoctrinated into a religion. http://www.perrybulwer.com/religion-and-child-abuse-news/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You said: &#8220;Although I disagree that mere indoctrination of children into religion is necessarily child abuse&#8230;&#8221;  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m surprised you would say that when your profile indicates you are an atheist. In my opinion, I think it is dangerous to downplay the indoctrination of children by saying it is &#8220;mere&#8221; indoctrination. </p>
<p>When you indoctrinate a child into one religion (that&#8217;s what indoctrination is) you are denying not only certain rights that the child has as a child, but also denying future rights that child will have as an adult. For example, all adults have the right to believe whatever they want to. However, if you indoctrinate a child to believe that only one religion is the true religion, and that if she doesn&#8217;t believe it she&#8217;ll go to hell, then you effectively cut off the right of that child when she becomes an adult to choose whatever belief system she wants. Yes, some will break out of that indoctrination, but many will not be able to shake the fear induced by such thought control.</p>
<p>I could give many more examples of the ways in which indoctrinating children into a religion constitutes spiritual abuse, intellectual abuse, emotional abuse, physical abuse (eg. corporal punishment), and psychological abuse. The only way to teach religion to children in a way that respects them as persons and does not infringe on their human rights is to do it in a comparative religion course, or in a social studies class, in which children learn that there are thousands of religions and people believe in all kinds of crazy things. They need to learn about religions without being coerced or intimidated in anyway, and they need to know that they are free, really free, to believe whatever they want no matter what anyone says, whether a parent, teacher or religious &#8220;authority&#8221;.</p>
<p>See my blog for plenty of examples of the harms that arise when children are indoctrinated into a religion. <a href="http://www.perrybulwer.com/religion-and-child-abuse-news/" rel="nofollow">http://www.perrybulwer.com/religion-and-child-abuse-news/</a></p>
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